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so what i'm going to talk about is a

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tale of two esp practitioners and the

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happened before world war two and the

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one happened just during the last

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some years

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so let me see okay so

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here i'm going to just introduce some

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details of this

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region the paper appearing in jssc

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and then i'm going also to try to

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connect with uh

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a book

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and to

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introduce some fascinating stories of

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this polish

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engineer

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so um

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i think we yeah we in this uh this field

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we all

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know the

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introduction of zener cart

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in the

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1930s by carl zeiner and the jb line

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as an objective

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means to

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assess their

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psychic

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performance and over there so this was

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the standard

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five positions each position has five

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possibilities so for this combination we

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would think of about the

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the permutations

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and in this the latest this paper

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published by jsc over there those five

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character quotes

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all the come up with about 45 million

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permutations

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for the per code so i'm going to talk

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about that a little bit

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um

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so here this

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study and

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it contained a single blind test for the

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initial demonstration for the authors to

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identify or confirm a gifted child a

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teenager and then later on there are two

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studies and both double blind and then

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performed in two different cities in

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china and over here this uh there

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the sample the double blind sample was

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prepared in beijing

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by a friend of the lead officer and then

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those two

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the initial single blind the

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demonstration and the two the double

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blind the laboratory tests they were

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performed in those two cities in the

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eastern part of china and in the

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southern part of china

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so in terms of their demonstration and

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then the third uh their test

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so this is an

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eastern province of china and here is

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their shanghai and this is the young

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river so over there there were there is

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a city this city is believed to be close

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to the hometown of their gifted child

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and then i worked in shanghai for

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several years and the most of the cities

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by the southern part of this yeah where

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okay so this uh the

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uh demonstration

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a city called the yangzhou where it has

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maybe uh several thousand years of

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history and it

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it has a large lake and by the river so

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it was rich in terms of the literature's

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cultures so that was believed to be

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where it is close to their 15 years old

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gifted child

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third the third demonstration was done

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in this city called the woo sea it's uh

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uh uh capital city of hainan province in

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the southern part of china which

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has a street from the mainland and so

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this is the capital city where is this

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like that and then at very southern

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border there was actually a nuclear the

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submarine base of chinese army so that's

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where they're right now so there are

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actually a lot of projects over there

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off the western there the military

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projects over there so but you can see

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this submarine over there

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so this is and so here is the capital

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city and right by over here it's a

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tourism city so just like miami like so

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so there so this capital city was where

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the kid was invited for the first the

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laboratory double blind test

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preparation this was the information

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that the friend of the lead also

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in beijing she

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generated using excel random and

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generation their function for generator

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comprised of their 26

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their characters and the 10 the

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then printed on an a4 size paper so

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those multiple the lines and then

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ten and basically folds to completely

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like ancient military the combined was

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measures to prevent the following the

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practices and also on site when the

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conducting the measurement and the

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laboratory experiments they also hand

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numbers unique numbers on those to

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videos this was a screenshot of a couple

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uh video there the the moments but i

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discussed the experimenter and also

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they're one of the also over there and

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also describes this and so

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just um pause that for this but that's

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the best the maximum that i can show and

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share with you guys and but according to

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my understanding and the communication

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this was how it was done so it was done

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in a suit like

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the hotel rooms so the leader also will

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will be in the inner room and then there

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are in there in the outer room and the

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living room you will have a table have

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the kids sitting over here have some

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samples over here they have a camera and

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other surveillance

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being just over here to make a

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continuous surveillance

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and that kid was about 14 to 15 years

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old and then the name appearing in the

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paper was disgraced

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the second author they happen to have

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the same last name but i do not know if

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they have any their family relationship

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gentlemens and then also the kid was

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apparently accompanied the twitter

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site by her parents

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analysis it we

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needed to come up with they needed to

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come up with some objective measures so

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i i suggest them to use this called the

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merit of match or marriage of imaginance

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essentially we have a five character

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codes and then any code that matches

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will give a number of one any

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so in this case it's two

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uh codes two digits of the codes they

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match so this will come up just sum them

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up this will give a total number of two

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zero no match at all or five which is a

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over here so the trial begins by

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either pick up their being given by a

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random nutrition sample by the examiners

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or sometimes the kid will pick up her

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own and then just get into their state

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try to sketch write down a reading and

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trial to give the agent the feedback and

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then would start the next trial so each

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confirmation

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of correct or not so the agent had a

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the discussion but i would like to just

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show here the disc the demonstration

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when the leader officer met there the

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the the girl at the very first time and

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gave her three tasks and this sample was

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prepared single blinded they just by the

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by the lead officer and now so this was

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and then the second the code and then

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a deliberate remain the same as the

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first one and then the region of that

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was discussed in the discussion

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and then the first one took the kid

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about over half an hour it was a

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complete match

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of one digit and third one was also a

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complete match so this gave the authors

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their their

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their confidence to move ahead

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later on so the kid and then to the

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leader also he funded the the the work

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so their kid and her parents were

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invited to this uh the hainan province

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to do their tests and for this test it

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had 16 trials came up with three

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and then this was a few months later and

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in the in the city that was close to the

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kids hong kong they conducted another

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trial of 18 at the trials and then there

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were two completed matches and this

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could be considered as declining

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so uh when these

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numbers were put together essentially

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only we counted their double blind tests

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a total of 34 trials five digits and

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then 34 permutations per position so

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when you put them together and they came

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up with a full hit of five times and

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then if you put this into a binomial

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distribution their alls were

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significantly below this this number but

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we just registered this number

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explainable by any any chance

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in terms of my involvement so i

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personally i never met

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any of the authors in person but i

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believe shane approached me around early

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2021 i believe was he was suggested by

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and then this is edwin may so this is

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the lead ulcer and then so basically so

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they know each other and then so i think

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by by dr jah he introduced to me and

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then so i had a communication with the

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lead officer over the times after that

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and about the shin

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his hearing is significantly impaired

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very difficult to

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have a live communication he also had

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broken his bone

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some time ago recovered but they're not

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in very good health conditions so he

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discussed the cases with me and we also

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discussed many other other

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tests he did over there in china and we

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mostly part we had a consensus and he

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later saw my comments on this manuscript

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and then after i saw the manuscript i

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saw the revision their request and then

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guidance from jsc i agreed to help

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and then so we

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introduced this result analysis rewrote

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their entire manuscript and then after

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two more rounds of revision and then it

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was published but i did decline the

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co-authorship but i was behind the final

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version so with this i also like to just

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introduce this i'm having this book with

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me and then so i recently got this book

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it was so fascinating and it was written

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by mary rose barrenton and she was a

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british parapsychologist

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and it looked like a password last year

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and then this is there was ian

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stevenson we all know founder of the

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division of perceptive studies in

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university of virginia and there was a

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geofia

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weaver she is a native of poland so they

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documented this very fascinating stories

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of this polish engineer and at the high

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social stand and it turns so that

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engineer according to the book he

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i think he was born in russia and had a

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successful business in russia but later

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returned to poland and the likely killed

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by nazis around 1943 or 1944 and then he

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had

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extraordinary the

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um

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the abilities of

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psychometry and the client violence so

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this many

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people with very high social standards

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and then they were involved in testing

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him over there particularly joseph

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pierce sardisk he was the command

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military combined of poland in world war

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one and later ahead of the state and

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then charles richard

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won the nobel prize in physiology in

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1913 so and they were all just involved

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in conducting the studies on this

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gentleman's ability and then some were

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this book documented most of them

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probably half of them were double blind

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studies and there are also some single

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blind due to the conditions that it just

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couldn't prepare in advance

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and there

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and also it wasn't done during the time

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when french was the language of the

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science

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so but over here here are some so there

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are the psychometry part i don't want to

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talk about but the cloud violence apart

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basically there uh this stephen had to

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identify the ceo the targets either

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sketch them just by sketching them and

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you can see over here all those are

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marked with this orange triangle over

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there the ones scheduled by this stephen

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and all the other was the original one

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that was basically disclosed after the

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stephen made the sketches

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and you can see that

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so this is a there are some that were

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extraordinarily

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uh

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just

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a match

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and here are

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so this i what i took over here

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photographed from the book was were not

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all there are there were others okay but

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those were some very representative

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stuff

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and

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was sealed in a lead a small lead

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container and then when the reading

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was done and then the container was

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basically cut open and then so the

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original sample was taken out to

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examine their their the reading so

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they're

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from the red cards itself it's also just

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the experiments were impeccable to my

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understanding

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and then so so so i as an engineer i i

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often like to see what's going on over

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here so one of the one of the favorite

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quote that i like to have is from

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jacksonville he mentioned that the side

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research should lead not to follow

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physics

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and on the other hand yesterday i was

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watching more and i found this edward

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kelly of dopes his their kids the quotes

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was somehow resonating with me so he

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said that the soldier

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first to take home lesson certainly he

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was associated with near-death

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experiences but he was in the rhine lab

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before so he knew other side or

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something related to what we would

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discuss today he is he mentioned that in

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a general sense

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so he said that the first take-home

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lesson is whether we like it or not

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science phenomena exist as effects of

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nature and the science is going to have

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to grip with the fact of that somehow

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i think we all agree upon this

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and but

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so this book also it has a record of

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stephen's own words and ed stephen he

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himself was an engineer i think he was a

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chemical engineer probably

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he would not only he was very

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cooperative on the experiments he would

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also try to get his own idea of what was

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actually going on so there are about

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maybe about two pages of materials

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written by himself and then here are

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some very important stuff and i like to

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share with anyone who has interest but

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not yet

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having read this book

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so stephen mentioned that i start

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by inhibiting the reasoning process and

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concentrating on my inner forces and i

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threw myself into a world of spiritual

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feeling

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i am sure that this conditions is

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brought about by my unshakeable face in

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the spiritual unity of of humanity

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then

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and i find myself in a new special state

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where i see or i bear sins i hear things

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right outside the time in the space

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so whether i read or conceal the target

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or find a lost article or do psychometry

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my sensations are almost the same

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apparently i lose a certain amount of

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energy my temperature goes up and my

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heart a bit becomes irregular a feature

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that confirms this impression is that as

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soon as i stop sinking it feels as if a

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surge of electrical flows through my

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extremities for a few

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uh seconds something okay i mean this

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lasts a moment then the true state of

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immunity takes hold of me pictures rise

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up in front of me usually by of the past

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i see the man who wrote the letter and

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the know what so just continue to go

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and

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okay increa incredibility

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skepticism or even attention

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concentrated too closely on my person

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can block a quick and successful result

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or

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the perception

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so this part is highly related to sheep

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or gold all their their influences of

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their their basically their

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uh

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side to them

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the person around the human when he was

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performing that in the wasa

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psychiatrical the society and the other

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scientists over there were it was

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supporting and he had a great success so

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he was mentioning about that

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and

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in this the gsc paper so so

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also there this paper also mentioned

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some of their uh readings of men self

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mentioning of the process by their by

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the kid and that was uh uh

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accepted by their video clips of

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after conducting one of the one of the

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full match

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and the girl mentioned that she was able

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to get enough focus on the reading the

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characters would appear on the so-called

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third eye region will be somewhere over

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here which is in the anterior domain or

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in the ceiling of the frontal lobe the

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characters would appear once but they

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were unstable and then so but it was

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unstable okay

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so over here so

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so with this and in the paper we put

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that we regarded this after sensory

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identification against a visual sensory

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barrier as a manifestation of

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information acquisition using channels

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that are not yet known

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basically via an alternative a channel

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of information transfer

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so i had this idea

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and so

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so there is something going on between

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the side between the live person between

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the person has to get into a certain

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certain way of accessing or entering the

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information so what actually is going on

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so i just decide them off this edward

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kelly's words this was not the true

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kelly okay

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but

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he mentioned something inherently larger

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than

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normally no would over overflow the

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organism in some sense okay and then

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come back to basically um

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kind of control the brain and the sense

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but here is also another important quote

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from robert jane in his 1994 interview

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he was projecting a resonance between

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the information

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processor that's in the device and the

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information process that we carry in our

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mind he certainly was regarding to the

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to the influence of consciousness under

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rug but

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how much is that different from because

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it's said eventually it's uh it's a

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connection or interaction between mind

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and a matter of physical matter

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so

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i to me

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i would

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like to

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and all project or hypothesize that

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there might have a so-called resonant

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state of consciousness which may be

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associated with associated or

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alternative state of consciousness but i

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consider that it might be a unique way

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of attuning a special

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numbers or groups of over some of our

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our brains where all just uh the world

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consciousness somehow it will appear and

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then that when we enter that state by

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some kind of feedback like meditation

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hypnosis whatsoever and then it could

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somehow come back to modulate our

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sensory response and then this sensory

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response modulation could potentially

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couple different centuries they're the

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systems and they may also make it more

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sensitized and when this happens those

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can all be at the physical levels but

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when that happens

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maybe in a very unique way there they

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could be able to access some alternative

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information

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so that's

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it's uh something that i would like to

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see if it's any way possible okay

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so

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that is my brief

574
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,480
basically the review of the things i i

575
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,120
have been just fascinating me and then i

576
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,400
hope that this can elicit the other

577
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:36,799
thoughts and then let's all work

578
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,919
together try to just

579
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:41,600
just know a little bit more of what's

580
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,679
actually going on inside okay so when i

581
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,760
when you were talking about the the

582
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,120
polish

583
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:51,120
uh practitioner

584
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,919
i was kind of taken by the description

585
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,559
of the how the process worked for him

586
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,640
particularly particularly this

587
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:01,360
discussion about heat

588
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:04,240
and about vibration

589
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,600
and i found that similar to

590
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,600
discussions that i have seen

591
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,799
um

592
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,400
about uh

593
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,120
out-of-body experiences

594
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:16,799
or also

595
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:19,600
some of the subjective experiences of

596
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,799
people who have done for instance monroe

597
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:24,399
institute

598
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:27,679
um that that there's kind of a similar

599
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,799
sensation in the body and also sometimes

600
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,600
we get this in in subtle medicine

601
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,080
um i was wondering

602
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,919
if you have anything

603
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,320
to say about

604
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,720
subtle bodies or energy and if maybe

605
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:45,760
that might be something that plays into

606
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,840
this kind of

607
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:48,640
experience

608
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:51,600
well i always say i can only

609
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:54,720
um project uh

610
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,760
my what might happen and to my view they

611
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,919
are all connected but in which way they

612
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:03,200
are connected would be very different or

613
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,480
difficult to understand and in terms of

614
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:09,520
the heat or heating that the stephen

615
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,799
mentioned i believe that was his own

616
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:15,120
uh their perception by the weather his

617
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,120
body was heated up body temperature

618
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,360
there is a change or not that was really

619
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,000
really really we don't know but

620
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:25,200
uh coming back to this um

621
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:28,399
this is the century of perceptive there

622
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:32,080
changes over the course of this

623
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:35,600
side demonstration if we could somehow

624
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,590
sympathetic or neuron or whatever

625
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,120
control there might be that will

626
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:47,840
definitely come back to modulate to

627
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,880
change our physiology so i would be

628
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:53,360
there it would not be surprising at all

629
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,720
that during that period that time our

630
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,600
body

631
00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:59,919
not only feels different but also if

632
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:02,799
there is any kind of bio energy that is

633
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,520
being produced or changed then it will

634
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:07,679
also have a correlative

635
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:11,760
presentation and i myself had an extreme

636
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,240
uh their their stress conditions when i

637
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,039
was asking a question to

638
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:19,919
uh the former korean ambassador to u.s

639
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,159
when he was presenting in their into in

640
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:25,440
myanmar martin and i had an extremely

641
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,880
crucifying pain at my back and the man

642
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,200
lower lower the

643
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:33,600
the back part just because i was so

644
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,960
stressful and then so that just it was

645
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,120
extremely painful i couldn't move and

646
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,279
then it was gone when when the stress

647
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:43,840
was gone so that gives me just

648
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,320
understanding that our body and our

649
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:48,799
consciousness or whatever it is how much

650
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:51,919
modulation can either do for our body

651
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:54,480
itself and then that would involve a

652
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:57,520
significant amount of energy

653
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,679
vitality and then that will if that can

654
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,000
produce any bio energy i'm not saying

655
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:06,480
that it will produce bioenergy by

656
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:09,279
producing any type of something we could

657
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:12,480
emit or generate a change of that it

658
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:18,470
thank you

659
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:20,240
so

660
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,679
we're starting to get a few questions in

661
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:23,120
but i i was wondering because you know

662
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,320
we've

663
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:26,240
you and i have discussed before in other

664
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,520
venues uh about finger reading

665
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:31,279
and i wonder if you could say a little

666
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,720
bit more about the the the participant

667
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:37,279
and the study that we see in the jfc or

668
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,799
even more about how

669
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:40,880
subjects are recruited

670
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:43,600
uh for these kinds of studies

671
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:46,480
okay so i talked with the lead officer

672
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:49,600
and then i asked him how many um

673
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:52,399
basically so how many this kind of would

674
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:56,159
give to the the person he was able to

675
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,440
confirm and he mentioned that so i the

676
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,519
leader also actually published a paper

677
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,559
in jsc around 2010 i believe a short

678
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:07,039
paper and over there

679
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:08,080
he

680
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:22,080
years

681
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:23,120
and

682
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:25,519
according to him he knows

683
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,279
one more which had even greater ability

684
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:32,159
better just for the shake and then

685
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:33,919
cannot be

686
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,559
um publicized as it is

687
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:38,080
and so

688
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:41,440
there was so so it's very difficult to

689
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:45,200
identify because there were so there

690
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:48,399
the society field in china in there it's

691
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,320
kind of it's so much contaminated by the

692
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:54,640
fraudulent practices

693
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:58,399
so it was very difficult to identify and

694
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:01,600
confirm and also do experimental studies

695
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,799
like this so etc this was the only one

696
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,440
he was able to identify over the last 10

697
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,320
years that was also why i after i saw

698
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:12,960
this material i felt that i if i could

699
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,559
help i needed to to help so

700
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:17,679
yeah

701
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,640
all right

702
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,320
um so i don't know if you know this but

703
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:22,799
sofia weaver one of the co-authors in

704
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,240
the book that you've been discussing is

705
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,640
actually in the audience

706
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,399
and she said it's delighted to know that

707
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,279
the book is still regarded as relevant

708
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:33,600
uh and in the key way the q and a

709
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,960
there's also question um for sophia so

710
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,279
uh sophia if if you are inclined uh

711
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:41,519
please we i welcome you to raise your

712
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,480
hand and we can bring you on stage uh in

713
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,840
the meantime there's a question in the

714
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:47,840
chat which i'm going to go ahead and

715
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,320
show on stage

716
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:52,640
it says uh dr pian my question is

717
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:55,360
whether slight changes in the set and

718
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,039
setting or habit

719
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,840
may help or impair participants ability

720
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:02,240
to read the character strings for

721
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:05,440
example where it is positioned whether

722
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,320
the material is written on paper versus

723
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,360
digital form

724
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,279
okay so uh

725
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,200
i only had

726
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,799
so first i was

727
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,679
not involved in any part of experiments

728
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,000
i was only involved in revising the

729
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,960
paper and doing the re-analysis

730
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:26,159
and i was

731
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,360
given access to only one video of the

732
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:32,159
interview after one success for four

733
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:35,120
match so i can only project information

734
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:36,399
from there

735
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:40,159
and that video was about 25 minutes long

736
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:43,519
it contained that entire process from

737
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:46,880
begin basically ending of one previous

738
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:49,919
and step basically an entire process of

739
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,840
one reading and so it's it's lengthy and

740
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:56,159
there are a lot of interactions over

741
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:57,039
there

742
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,000
and

743
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,880
i think the setting

744
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:02,880
it really depends upon what we are so

745
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:06,080
from that video those all those samples

746
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,760
uh it's put so they are all basically

747
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:12,720
they were all staples into a small flash

748
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,760
drive as sides all those samples and

749
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,520
then basically

750
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,480
several maybe 2030 they were in a small

751
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,280
bowl and put over there on the table and

752
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:25,839
the dance or the kid we were just

753
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,560
sometimes it's their their assistant he

754
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,720
pick up one or sometimes there's a kid

755
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,079
just just

756
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:34,960
try to suffer through and pick one out

757
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,480
and uh this is this is later on but at

758
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,040
the early yeah this something like this

759
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:44,399
okay and then here whether she would

760
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:45,520
just um

761
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:48,480
like this just use her finger to do this

762
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,919
a little bit and then so sometimes

763
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:53,919
they're wandering around something like

764
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,079
that but apparent so basically she

765
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:58,480
needed some kind of

766
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,440
um

767
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,599
access but there was one thing that's

768
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,520
very interesting because

769
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,839
um

770
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,160
so this was boring okay you can see it

771
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:10,240
was a very boring task

772
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,599
and the kid was only 14 15 years old so

773
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:15,359
at the very beginning at the very

774
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:18,800
beginning she would basically try to try

775
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:22,400
to because when the sample was taken out

776
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,359
and then she was not allowed to touch it

777
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,359
at the very beginning the beginning the

778
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,599
earlier measurement the test

779
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:31,680
but later on

780
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:35,119
after the trust was established results

781
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:38,240
came out and then later on she would try

782
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:39,599
to

783
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,119
and then so that just gave her fast

784
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,079
access and then the examiner would ask

785
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,079
her why you wanted to touch she said i

786
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,079
just want to get this time to go out to

787
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:58,480
play

788
00:36:05,510 --> 00:35:59,440
so

789
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:05,520
talking about the how she was accessed

790
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:07,599
to the sample and this was the only

791
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:10,880
information i had but in terms of

792
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,480
how their calls or which kind of objects

793
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,280
were sealed what's the series

794
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:19,920
what's the process of a ceiling

795
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:23,359
i don't think that matters

796
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:28,560
if such kind of the phenomena or ability

797
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,040
is a true phenomenon because if the dots

798
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:34,800
access their

799
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,560
information or by overcoming the barrier

800
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,200
as we normally know and then

801
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:43,760
none of the physical barriers will be

802
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,720
able to block that information so that's

803
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:48,079
my owen

804
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,920
owen perspective and thank you

805
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,599
i find it interesting though that the

806
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,280
subject said that she

807
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:57,359
really wanted to touch

808
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,160
the the target what kind of

809
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,119
uh you know sensory barriers or what

810
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:05,760
kind of controls did were in place

811
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,560
uh to prevent cheating in that case

812
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,359
well that one i don't know but uh but i

813
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,000
believe in this field we all know about

814
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:17,040
the what the thermal vision kind of

815
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:20,839
experiments did earlier on so if a

816
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,280
touching can provide an access to that

817
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:27,920
information by whichever means that part

818
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,720
i think is in agreement with this

819
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,760
thermal

820
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:34,160
vision experiments that have been done

821
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:38,000
by so many people over so many years

822
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,270
can you hear me

823
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:47,599
yes i can hear you also okay no i was

824
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:51,760
just going to say i i agree um

825
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:54,880
i think it's very much to do with

826
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,000
the mindset of the person of the

827
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,400
clairvoyant um

828
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:03,040
what they are comfortable with i mean

829
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:05,920
osovietsky firmly believed for a long

830
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:08,960
time that he couldn't read print

831
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:11,839
turned out that he could but it was a

832
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,320
barrier that he had to overcome in his

833
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,280
own mind rather than

834
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,520
existing barriers so i think that

835
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:22,400
applies to to most clairvoyants that i

836
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:25,599
have studied uh it's it's the mindset

837
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:28,720
that they bring with them and that's the

838
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:31,920
main thing that inhibits any any

839
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:34,079
developments

840
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:35,040
thank you

841
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,550
sophia i wonder if i might keep you on

842
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,480
stage for another moment for our very

843
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,040
last question thank you okay the

844
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:48,960
question is what types of probabilities

845
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:51,040
against chance did the young chinese

846
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:54,560
woman versus the polish engineer achieve

847
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,599
well

848
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:57,839
i think chances

849
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,200
are something that can be worked out

850
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,320
if you have a framework uh like they do

851
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:06,480
with remote viewing

852
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,160
uh where they have um

853
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:11,760
set of targets

854
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:16,000
and then they can judge the hits against

855
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:19,599
misses and work out um

856
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,240
the the result that way i think it's

857
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:25,040
much easier to do with

858
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,160
numbers

859
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,079
than with uh

860
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:29,920
basically what was

861
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:32,800
a life situation in

862
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,520
in

863
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:35,280
the case of the polish

864
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,599
of polish engineer and risha did try to

865
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,000
work out the probability

866
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:45,359
of uh oswitsky getting hits the way he

867
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,640
did

868
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:48,880
and of course he ended up with

869
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:52,480
basically infinity um but

870
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:56,560
it wasn't really the kind of probability

871
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,119
working out that that we are used to now

872
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:03,119
i hope that helped no that's very

873
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,720
helpful thank you duchene what's your

874
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:06,400
take on the question

875
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:07,359
uh

876
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,800
well so this probability i think if

877
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:13,359
there is a definitive probability just

878
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:16,319
like these numbers and the characters

879
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,440
which there is a known and their total

880
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,280
amount of permutations and this

881
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,440
probability can be

882
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,839
assessed objectively as we have over

883
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,880
here

884
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:28,720
and but uh

885
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:31,839
so there is so the probability of the

886
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,319
polish engineer it's a little bit

887
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:36,480
difficult to assess because that's

888
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:39,920
mainly kind of a video their

889
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:42,480
information of a shape or that type of

890
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,280
stuff but that type of probability

891
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,160
actually the it's a in terms of

892
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:50,880
information transfer there is no one way

893
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,680
to assess that and actually that part

894
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:56,640
has actually been done in china in about

895
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,760
40 years ago there were people uh there

896
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:01,920
is studying that

897
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:05,680
what's the reliability of information at

898
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,480
that base particularly a spatial pattern

899
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,440
that can be picked up by their client

900
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,240
variant or people that who can access

901
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,480
that information by something like this

902
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,160
finger reading whatsoever we want to

903
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,680
call that and then surprisingly so that

904
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,359
and that part of

905
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:26,160
the the assessment is there is a name

906
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,680
called standard name called the

907
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,079
modulation transfer function which is

908
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,640
used to identify how good this camera

909
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,400
system is identical

910
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,200
over there it was found that this kind

911
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,240
of psi ability is good at picking up

912
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:42,079
information that is not

913
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:46,800
not very highly detailed but also not

914
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:50,720
very plain so which means uh for example

915
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:54,400
i have a paper over here which has very

916
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,680
detailed sketches and the very fine

917
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,240
lines they cannot pick up but if i have

918
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:02,960
a plain paper like this they couldn't

919
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:05,599
find other either which give me an idea

920
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,560
that

921
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,880
it's a plain paper there was no

922
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:10,880
interesting information there so they

923
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:14,880
couldn't pick it up but if just like

924
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,920
our camera if the line is too

925
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:19,119
too

926
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:24,880
there is the resolution issue so there's

927
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,200
that study so given a curve like this

928
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,760
somewhere in the middle not

929
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:32,720
very

930
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,119
that would agree with that there is some

931
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,960
kind of information

932
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:42,880
transfer there

933
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:46,000
that does break the physical barrier but

934
00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:46,880
that

935
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:51,880
transferred does not

936
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:54,960
disagree with our known physics it's

937
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:57,839
just a matter of how it's transferred

938
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:00,640
and then which kind of information that

939
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,920
is being accessed so i would say there's

940
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,280
defense

941
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,079
that are informed that the chance

942
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,560
capabilities um

943
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:12,400
is not as

944
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:16,480
direct as this 15-year kid he her

945
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,640
information the chance probability we

946
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:21,359
could project over there

947
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:24,800
that probability needs to be assessed

948
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,160
according to this standard if we could

949
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:30,960
bring him back alive to redo the test

950
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:33,599
and then can be assessed by this type of

951
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:37,119
standard approach which is used also to

952
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:39,920
compare modality by modality in medical

953
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,359
imaging ultrasound mri ct it was done in

954
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,280
this way standard away

955
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:46,880
so there are something over there we

956
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,760
just needed to implement to this field

957
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,319
to make it stronger scientifically more

958
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,800
sound so thank you very much thank you

959
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,200
sophia do you have anything else to add

960
00:44:02,230 --> 00:43:59,839
um no i don't think that i have found

961
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,240
that very interesting and i'm really i'm

962
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,720
really glad somebody noticed osovietsky

963
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:06,960
again because

964
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,680
we tend in parapsychology we tend to

965
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,160
start all over again and forget

966
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:14,960
everything that went before and i really

967
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,359
like historical things

968
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:19,520
thank you that was very interesting and

969
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,720
margaret has sent me a message and

970
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:25,119
i will read i've got the message and i

971
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,720
will reply with the information so but i

972
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:29,680
i

973
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,790
yeah okay

974
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,560
thank you for joining us

975
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:40,800
pleasure

976
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,560
okay well that is it for our q a and for

977
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,040
our questions so uh thank you again for